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Kim Stacy was born in 1957 in Hyden, Kentucky. Her birth was attended to by caregivers from the Frontier Nurse program, who for more than 75 years have been delivering babies in hospitals and at home in the Appalachian Mountains (and who also helped bring Kim’s older siblings into the world). To this day, Kim is honored to support and contribute to this unique service agency.

Kim was raised in the mountains with her two brothers and four sisters. Her family (both immediate and extended) was close knit then, and still is. She says they were fortunate, because her father worked in the sawmill and then as a plumber and electrician, and never had to work in the coal mines. To this day, Kim loves the mountains, and its people.
 
With the passage of Title IX in 1972, Kim’s high school suddenly got a girls’ basketball team, and Kim became captain. This seemingly small accomplishment made Kim dream of playing college-level ball, and opened her horizons to the whole possibility of life beyond the mountains (which her parents encouraged). Kim eventually enrolled at Eastern Kentucky University in 1975. While she didn’t make the basketball team, she did start meeting other lesbians, and this too was life changing.
  
In 1978, Kim moved to Lexington, Kentucky. In an Urban League training program for women in nontraditional jobs, she learned trim carpentry, formed deep friendships, and began a 30-year stretch playing softball with the same group of women. In 1979, Kim moved to Monticello, a couple hours south of Lexington, where she built a house with her then-partner. Seven years later, Kim moved back to Lexington, where she met her future wife Anne Harrison.

In Lexington, Kim started her own company, called Custom Design Woodworking. She and Anne bought some land in Washington County, southwest of Lexington, where they built a home for themselves, and a workshop for Kim. Kim calls their little region “our slice of paradise”.

In 2005, Kim was diagnosed with breast cancer. At the time, her prognosis wasn’t good, but after surgery and chemo, it improved. Today, Kim’s still here, happily building, contracting, and making furniture and cabinets. In 2016, her marriage to Anne got written up in the Washington Post, highlighting the fact that some county clerks in rural Kentucky, no matter what their personal beliefs, respected the Supreme Court’s marriage equality decision as “the law of the land”.

All too often these days, America gets rigidly divided into ‘red’ and ‘blue’ states. Kim’s story reminds us that America from the sky may look one way – but on the ground, there’s a different, more hopeful story.
Kate Kunath: [00:00:00] Okay. So let's start with your name and the spelling of your name.
Kim Stacy: My name is Kim Stacy, K-I-M S-T-A-C-Y.
Kate Kunath: Okay. Now tell me your name, where you're born and when.
Kim Stacy: My name is Kim Stacy and I was born in Hyden, Kentucky in 1957.
Kate Kunath: Okay. Where is that?
Kim Stacy: It's in Eastern Kentucky, in the Appalachian Mountains.
Kate Kunath: [00:00:30] Tell me where you grew up and who your parents were and what they did for living.
Kim Stacy: I grew up down in the mountains of Eastern Kentucky. My parents were Anna and L.B. Stacy. My mom was a homemaker. They had seven children and my father was a plumber
Kim Stacy: [00:01:00] and electrician and then he had a weekend side job of walking two or three miles up a creek bed to turn on a oil well that pumped oil out to the main road and that was a time that we mostly, the younger girl, my sister, Teresa, and I spent a lot of time with him on those treks to the oil well.
Kate Kunath: [00:01:30] When you're talking, keep your eyes with me.
Kim Stacy: Okay.
Kate Kunath: Ignore the camera. I think you might be checking out the camera. But you have to stay with me.
Kim Stacy: Okay.
Kate Kunath: Okay. So go on, tell me more.
Kim Stacy: Okay. Small town, 500 people in the city limits.
Kim Stacy: [00:02:00] My high school graduating class, I think there was about 130 people. My brothers and then my four other sisters, it was pretty much a known fact that when you graduated from high school, you moved on. We knew we weren't going to stay in the mountains, as much as we loved the mountains, it just doesn't have a lot of opportunities.
Kate Kunath: [00:02:30] Is that coal country?
Kim Stacy: It is, very much coal country, yes. I think my father said he went one day to the coal mines and knew that that was not for him.
Kate Kunath: Where was he from?
Kim Stacy: They were from the mountains of Virginia.
Kate Kunath: How did they get up there?
Kim Stacy: [00:03:00] They moved over to Hyden when my father worked for a lumber company called Ritter Lumber Company and that company opened a sawmill in Hyden and they moved there, I believe, in 1945.
Kate Kunath: Was your dad in the war?
Kim Stacy: My father was not in the war. I think at that time, there was
Kim Stacy: [00:03:30] some rule that got passed through that they did not accept men who were married and had at least three children and he qualified for that and I believe that that's true. Seems like an odd one but we'll take it.
Kate Kunath: Your grandfather who was in the lumber business or the side of the family that was in lumber, tell me about that.
Kim Stacy: [00:04:00] Both my grandparents, on both sides of my family were in the lumber business, and worked for that same lumber company. So people would get transferred from different areas of the mountains, depending on where a new mill was being opened. So they were transferred over to Hyden.
Kate Kunath: Okay. Tell me about your school, like your elementary school.
Kim Stacy: [00:04:30] My elementary school. Not a whole lot I can say about my elementary school really. There was no athletics for girls. There was tee-ball and football, flag football for boys but there was no athletics for girls.
Kate Kunath: [00:05:00] Is that something that you wanted?
Kim Stacy: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I was definitely the tomboy of the group.
Kate Kunath: So were you hanging out with the boys?
Kim Stacy: Most of the time.
Kate Kunath: Playing football?
Kim Stacy: Playing football and baseball.
Kate Kunath: Being a tomboy, did that mean anything else to you at that time?
Kim Stacy: [00:05:30] No, it didn't. In my high school, Title IX came into effect and so they had to develop a girls basketball team so I was eligible to play basketball my senior year in high school. Then I started finding myself.
Kate Kunath: [00:06:00] Nice. Okay, we'll get there. So how long was your family in Hyden?
Kim Stacy: I think they moved there in '45, I think I just said. They lived there until my father died, about seven years ago.
Kate Kunath: Tell me about hearing Helen Reddy's I Am Woman.
Kim Stacy: [00:06:30] I grew up with my mother who was a homemaker and my four older sisters. They had boyfriends in high school and then they married and moved away. Somehow, I just knew that I couldn't fit that mold
Kim Stacy: [00:07:00] and wasn't sure where I fit and how I was going to manage that, what I was going to do with myself. One night, I don't know, it may have been Ed Sullivan, I don't know, but Helen Redding came on and sang I Am Woman. It literally changed my life. I knew at that moment I was strong.
Kate Kunath: [00:07:30] As a woman.
Kim Stacy: As a woman and knew that there were other people out there that thought like that.
Kate Kunath: Thought like what?
Kim Stacy: That women could be strong and women could go forward and not be in their traditional roles that I had seen women in my family and my surroundings being.
Kim Stacy: [00:08:00] I mean, my mother was a wonderful, wonderful woman and she did her job beautifully but I knew I did not want that job.
Kate Kunath: So then you're 15 and you've probably resolved to find either some other people that thought like you or-
Kim Stacy: Well, I was coming out, I came out at that time also. Of course, I thought I was probably the only one in the world.
Kate Kunath: [00:08:30] Who did you come out to?
Kim Stacy: With or to?
Kate Kunath: Both, let's hear both. Whatever came first.
Kim Stacy: Well, for-
Kate Kunath: Tell me how old you were before you tell me this.
Kim Stacy: Pardon me?
Kate Kunath: Tell me how old you were.
Kim Stacy: I was 15 years old and I'm not really sure
Kim Stacy: [00:09:00] I want to explain or go into my coming out experience, just because there was an age differential there.
Kate Kunath: Okay, so no names.
Kim Stacy: No names.
Kate Kunath: Can you tell a story without doing that?
Kim Stacy: I grew up in a town of 500 people. So probably not.
Kate Kunath: [00:09:30] Okay, what can we know? What are we allowed to know about that?
Kim Stacy: I was a very willing participant. It opened my world up to knowing that the feelings that I'd had about other girls on my basketball team or just girlfriends,
Kim Stacy: [00:10:00] I knew that I loved them, I suppose, in the same way that some girls love boys, but I was never able to voice that or really even to think about it too much.
Kate Kunath: Did you know what that was? Did you know what to call it?
Kim Stacy: No, no. I mean, of course I'd heard all the slang words of lessie or whatever.
Kim Stacy: [00:10:30] But I was a big fish in a little pond on my basketball team and so I thought I could possibly play college ball and that going to college and playing college ball gave me an opportunity to get out of Eastern Kentucky.
Kate Kunath: [00:11:00] Okay, so tell me about that.
Kim Stacy: I went to Eastern Kentucky University, which is in Richmond, Kentucky. Thought I was a pretty good basketball player until I started trying out and then I realized that all schools didn't fall into the Title IX. Well, they all fell into the title 9 but some schools,
Kim Stacy: [00:11:30] some of the city schools had been having girls basketball teams for several years so they had several years of experience whereas I had my one. So I didn't make the team but I found a whole new world of people that were like me.
Kate Kunath: Tell me about that. How'd you find them and who were they and what were they ... What are your activities together?
Kim Stacy: [00:12:00] I'm not sure how I met these girls in a dorm. You kind of start picking out ones that you kind of know have the same interests or same ... The how you know, you know kind of look that most of us have, the gaydar type of look.
Kim Stacy: [00:12:30] It was great. One of them, one of the women that I met, she also played on a softball team in Lexington. So I went with her to look at the softball team to see if that was of interest to me and of course it was. It was a whole new group of women that were older than I by several, three or four years.
Kim Stacy: [00:13:00] So they all took me under their wing and we played softball together for 30 years.
Kate Kunath: Holy crap.
Kim Stacy: I know. Yeah, we did.
Kate Kunath: Wow. You said that was in Lexington?
Kim Stacy: In Lexington, yeah.
Kate Kunath: That's amazing. How many of you were there?
Kim Stacy: Pardon me?
Kate Kunath: How many people on the team were [crosstalk]?
Kim Stacy: [00:13:30] There was a large turnover. When we decided to stop playing, it was about the same time that I was diagnosed with breast cancer and so the local paper picked up on the length of time that we'd been playing softball together. I'm not sure which came first. But then they wanted to do a story on the breast cancer
Kim Stacy: [00:14:00] and the length of time that we'd played together. So as it turned out, there was seven, I believe, seven original members from when we first started playing 30 years ago.
Kate Kunath: Wow. Okay, so back in college. You were doing that in Lexington but in Eastern Kentucky, tell me more about the gay community that you were finding. You had found some girls in the dorms with your gaydar.
Kim Stacy: [00:14:30] It was in Richmond. That was in college.
Kate Kunath: Right, right. I'm taking you back to college.
Kim Stacy: Okay, okay.
Kate Kunath: Yeah, just tell me more about the community, what the climate was like at your college in terms of being gay, being out, if people were accepted.
Kim Stacy: When I was in my first year in college,
Kim Stacy: [00:15:00] I was ... Being from the mountains in Hyden, Kentucky, there's not a lot of diversity. I walked into my dorm room on my very, very first day and my roommate was an African American woman. Now, you might find this hard to believe, I was 18 years old
Kim Stacy: [00:15:30] and I had never had a conversation with a black person. So my world was exploding in many different directions. We became good friends, I mean, not real close. We roomed together for a semester but she moved on and I moved on and I moved in with another lesbian.
Kim Stacy: [00:16:00] But I met women from Buffalo, New York that I'm still friends with. Just women came from all over the country to go to school there for various reasons. It opened a whole nother world of places for me to talk about and places to visit.
Kate Kunath: Were you a part of any gay centers or groups on campus?
Kim Stacy: [00:16:30] No.
Kate Kunath: [crosstalk.
Kim Stacy: Not that I'm aware of. Not that I'm aware of like GLSO or something, no. Not that I was aware of.
Kate Kunath: Did you feel like you needed one or are you finding enough community?
Kim Stacy: I was finding enough community. But everything was new. Every experience that I was having was new.
Kim Stacy: [00:17:00] So to seek out an organization, everything was an organization.
Kate Kunath: Did you meet anybody in college, any special relationships in college?
Kim Stacy: Brief, short term. But after I moved to Lexington --
Kim Stacy: [00:17:30] moved part time to Lexington, I was still going to school in Richmond -- one of the women on the softball team, well, she is the first person I ever fell in love with.
Kate Kunath: How long were you in a relationship or were you ...?
Kim Stacy: Almost two years. That was a long time.
Kate Kunath: Did you come out at any point to your family?
Kim Stacy: [00:18:00] My mother found a letter from a woman that I was seeing when I was back at Eastern and that's how I came out.
Kate Kunath: Is there a story there?
Kim Stacy: Well, it was not ... She was not very happy. Of course, she said, "I'll never tell your father about this. It will kill him." But I'm sure she told him that night.
Kim Stacy: [00:18:30] Then she called all my sisters and they needed to talk some sense into me. But over time, it just got better. They got real better.
Kate Kunath: Did your sisters try to talk sense into you?
Kim Stacy: One of them, one of my sisters felt like maybe I needed therapy or maybe I needed help with ...
Kim Stacy: [00:19:00] Maybe I was confused. But most didn't. I mean, they probably knew.
Kate Kunath: Do you know if your dad ever found out?
Kim Stacy: Oh yes. Oh yes, he found out. Like I said, my mother probably told him that very day.
Kate Kunath: Do you remember how he reacted?
Kim Stacy: He didn't really ever say anything.
Kim Stacy: [00:19:30] He really, really loves my wife Anne and ... Or loved, he's not here anymore. But he never really confronted me about it or he was just dad.
Kate Kunath: Okay.
ManSee Kong: I'm sorry, can I ask if you can try to [inaudible]. Thank you.
Kim Stacy: [00:20:00] Sure.
ManSee Kong: Thank you.
Kate Kunath: Okay, the softball community. It's too long of a period to not have something significant that needs to be uncovered there. Like my mom was in a book club for 35 years with the neighbors and the newspapers wanted the stories about them too
Kate Kunath: [00:20:30] and having, like knowing people for that long is so ... It's such a gift in so many ways. So what has that, what's been the value of that softball team community to you over the years?
Kim Stacy: The softball community, I think, opened up the world for
Kim Stacy: [00:21:00] all the women in that Lexington community, it was a reason that we got together. It was not a team that we were really gung ho, got to win. Anyone that wanted to play, played. We never practiced. We'd get together one time before the season just that everybody could find their glove
Kim Stacy: [00:21:30] and we'd play once a week and afterwards go out to a local restaurant and drink beer and eat cheeseburgers. It was a way of all of us getting together and keeping up and sometimes, I mean, 30 years, we've seen a lot of people go through a lot of difficulties.
Kim Stacy: [00:22:00] It's a family. It's definitely a family. I have people in my family, my DNA family that if they weren't my DNA, I wouldn't know these people. They're so different than I am. But this softball community, we all have all the things in common,
Kim Stacy: [00:22:30] pretty much everything that I've been talking about before and people having kids and people losing parents and people getting breast cancer. All the things that we all go through in our lives and we're there for each other.
Kate Kunath: [00:23:00] Okay, tell me about the Michigan Womyn's Festival. When did you start going to that? How'd you hear about it and when was this?
Kim Stacy: The Michigan Womyn's Music Festival.
Kate Kunath: Hold on one second.
Kim Stacy: Can I get some water?
[00:23:30] [break]
Kate Kunath: [00:24:00] Yeah. Okay. What did you study in college?
Kim Stacy: [00:24:30] I started out in law enforcement and then I moved into recreation, administrative recreation.
Kate Kunath: Did you ever use administrative recreation?
Kim Stacy: No. No. Actually, I was only ... I was actually only in school for two years. I dropped out.
Kate Kunath: Okay. Why did you drop out?
Kim Stacy: There was a program in Lexington that I had heard about for women in nontraditional jobs. They had a carpentry program
Kim Stacy: [00:25:00] and felt that that was more of a calling for me than what I was doing.
Kate Kunath: Cool. So you got trained up there.
Kim Stacy: They had a program for training women in different nontraditional jobs and they would find the employer and the employer would pay half of your hourly rate
Kim Stacy: [00:25:30] and then the program that we were involved in paid the other half. At the time it was $5 an hour. So construction companies were able to get laborers who were very willing to learn the skill for $2.50 an hour.
Kate Kunath: Wow, interesting. So what were some of the jobs they gave you?
Kim Stacy: [00:26:00] Well, I actually lucked into working with two older men who were not afraid of their masculinity. I worked with them doing trim carpentry, hanging doors and baseboards and stair treads, that type of thing.
Kate Kunath: How long did you work with them?
Kim Stacy: I think I worked with that program for maybe two years.
Kate Kunath: [00:26:30] Then what?
Kim Stacy: After I left that program, I met someone who had some property down in Wayne County, Kentucky, and I moved down there with her. There were two guys there that had a timber frame business, of building homes. So I was there and worked with them for about seven years.
Kim Stacy: [00:27:00] Then after I left that relationship and that job, I moved back to Lexington and worked for maybe a couple of months for a guy that I answered an ad for in the newspaper that needed an assistant and then I decided that maybe I should just try doing this on my own and not working for someone else and I did. That was 40 years ago.
Kate Kunath: [00:27:30] Wow. So then you-
Kim Stacy: Or 35 years ago.
Kate Kunath: Okay. So then you're working for yourself. What were your services basically? What was the company?
Kim Stacy: It was called ... Well, at the time, I didn't really have a name, I was just me. I did decks and small building projects
Kim Stacy: [00:28:00] that all the women on the softball team needed done. They're still my clients as a matter of fact. I've just moved into a different genre of woodworking.
Kate Kunath: Cool.
Kim Stacy: Yeah.
Kate Kunath: So how old were you when you went out on your own?
Kim Stacy: Oh, probably-
Kate Kunath: Would you say-
Kim Stacy: 25
Kate Kunath: I want you to say when you went on your own, you were-
Kim Stacy: [00:28:30] When I started working for myself, I was probably about 25 years old, maybe, 26.
Kate Kunath: That's young.
Kim Stacy: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Kate Kunath: For your whole career basically, you're-
Kim Stacy: Self employed.
Kate Kunath: Oh, cool. Okay, so let's talk about the Womyn's Music Festival. When did you start going to that? How old were you?
Kim Stacy: The Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, I heard about from one of the women on the softball team,
Kim Stacy: [00:29:00] how she found out about it, I don't know. She and a group of women went to the very first one and then came back like, "Oh, it's the greatest." So I thought, "Okay, next year I'm going."
Kate Kunath: This was around what year?
Kim Stacy: Well, last year I think '15 was the last year and 40 years prior to that, whatever that adds out to be.
Kim Stacy: [00:29:30] I went the second year. It was-
Kate Kunath: Let's figure out what year that was. So it went for 40 years.
Kim Stacy: It went for 40 years.
Kate Kunath: The last one was 2015.
Kim Stacy: Yes, so that would have been-
Kate Kunath: 1975?
Kim Stacy: 75. Yes. So 1975, '76 I think was the first year of the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival.
Kim Stacy: [00:30:00] You can't go every year. I mean, some people did, I suppose. But we went back on I believe the 25th anniversary and then again on maybe the 30th and then we went on the last year also.
Kate Kunath: So you went four times?
Kim Stacy: I think four times, yes.
Kate Kunath: [00:30:30] What were your initial feelings there? What was so great about it?
Kim Stacy: Several things were great about the music festival. There was, I think at some point, there may have been maybe at most 10 or 11,000 women there. The amazing part about it was it was so self sustained by women.
Kim Stacy: [00:31:00] Part of your ticket price was a couple of work shifts, a couple of two or three-hour work shifts within the week. You signed up for multitude of details, whether it cutting carrots in the kitchen or trash detail and everything. There was woodchoppers
Kim Stacy: [00:31:30] that built the fire, that cooked the food. It was such a great community to be for a whole week of nothing but beautiful, strong women. It's a sad story that it ended. But can't go on forever, I suppose.
Kate Kunath: It could have. Is that where you met Anne?
Kim Stacy: [00:32:00] No.
Kate Kunath: Okay. Tell me about meeting Anne.
Kim Stacy: I met Anne at a New Year's day party. I was introduced to her by a former lover of mine that was the first person that I ever loved.
Kim Stacy: [00:32:30] So it all comes back around. So she had bought a house in Lexington. She had moved from Indianapolis to Lexington and had just bought a house and needed the upstairs attic remodeled so they introduced me to her as someone who might be interested in doing that job, and I did. So I never left.
Kate Kunath: [00:33:00] That was a very abbreviated story.
Kim Stacy: It was, wasn't it? So Anne and I lived in Lexington.
Kate Kunath: Okay, hold on.
Kim Stacy: Okay.
Kate Kunath: All right. Just going to pull a few more details about this.
Kim Stacy: Okay, go ahead.
Kate Kunath: So you have this contracting job. You don't even have her phone number yet. So you've met her at the party.
Kim Stacy: Right.
Kate Kunath: [00:33:30] You said Anne needed some work done in her house.
Kim Stacy: That's correct.
Kate Kunath: Then what?
Kim Stacy: So I was living in Wayne County still, and coming to Lexington to work. Relationship ending in Wayne County. I didn't really have a place to live. I was living in my tent with my dog and my circular saw.
Kate Kunath: [00:34:00] Hah.
Kim Stacy: Yes. So then I ended up renting a house and then working at Anne's place. We just liked each other a lot. So we decided to start living together. It made sense, after a lot of discussion,
Kim Stacy: [00:34:30] that she moved in with me in the rental house, and then she was going to then rent her house. Then we talked about buying some property and looked within the Lexington, maybe about 15 minutes or so within the city limits of Lexington because we both knew that Lexington was going to be our work base.
Kim Stacy: [00:35:00] We found this piece of property which is about 45 minutes from Lexington but it was such a beautiful piece of property and we were able to buy 80 acres for what we thought we were going to be able to buy about 10 acres for with the same amount of money by driving the extra distance.
Kate Kunath: So what year is this?
Kim Stacy: That was in '87, '88.
Kate Kunath: [00:35:30] You bought 80 acres. How much was 80 acres in 88?
Kim Stacy: 17,000. We bought this piece of property for $17,000 for 80 acres.
Kate Kunath: Cool.
Kim Stacy: Yes. Then we-
Kate Kunath: Hold on.
Kim Stacy: Okay.
Kate Kunath: I'm going to go back to when you were working at Annes house.
Kim Stacy: Okay.
Kate Kunath: So what can you remember that special moment, when you were using the circular saw?
Kim Stacy: [00:36:00] Okay.
Kate Kunath: Maybe it was that 10th glass of lemonade that you asked her for? Do you remember the day? Do you remember the day that you turned from the worker to the special friend?
Kim Stacy: I knew I loved Anne. I knew there was something about her.
Kim Stacy: [00:36:30] She was and still is the most gentlest compassionate person I've ever met. I didn't have to work very hard to find that appealing and know that I wanted to spend my life with her.
Kate Kunath: Did you know that before you kissed her or after?
Kim Stacy: She's got great lips. So I'm not sure if I knew that before or after. I just knew.
Kate Kunath: [00:37:00] Who made the first move?
Kim Stacy: I did.
Kate Kunath: What was it?
Kim Stacy: There was a group of women that was hanging out at Anne's house at that time.
Kim Stacy: [00:37:30] There was, probably, I think there was three or four of us. I'm not sure if it was a Friday night or a Saturday night or whatever but we'd had dinner and probably several drinks. I think there may have been three or four of us that ended up sleeping in Anne's waterbed.
Kim Stacy: [00:38:00] Don't go there. The next morning, when I woke up, she was beside me and I touched her shoulder and I asked her if that was okay. She said yes. So I knew I had hopes.
Kate Kunath: [00:38:30] That's very sweet. Okay. Now where were we?
Kim Stacy: Where were we? I don't know. I got almost distracted by the shoulder.
Kate Kunath: Yeah, now [crosstalk] in the shoulder. You already told me that you knew you loved her so it was probably around that moment?
Kim Stacy: [00:39:00] Oh, I knew where we were. We were talking about the land, I think.
Kate Kunath: Oh yeah.
Kim Stacy: Pick up there?
Kate Kunath: Yeah, let's talk about the land.
Kim Stacy: We decided to buy the land, even though it was a little further out than we had hoped. Anne was working at a hospital in Lexington in the physical therapy department and, of course, I was self employed
Kim Stacy: [00:39:30] so she decided to take I believe six months leave so that we could do that, we could start the house. When we moved out here, there wasn't anybody else on this road. There was a farmhouse out at the beginning of the road that had a man and woman living there but it was pretty gravel road, no pavement.
Kim Stacy: [00:40:00] So we were pretty isolated back here. I made the decision that I needed to hire as many local people as possible because at the closing, when we bought the property, of course they were snickering about why two women was buying property out here and what were we doing and were we going to grow marijuana, all that sort of thing.
Kim Stacy: [00:40:30] I knew that there was going to be possibly a little bit of fear in us being here, fear for us in being out here. But pretty much it turned out okay, so far. I mean, we've been here a long time. We've gotten to know a lot of people and people have been very open to us.
Kim Stacy: [00:41:00] Since then, since we've moved out here, of course, friends knew about us being out here, so other property that would become for sale, they bought. Then I would build them a house. I've built, I think seven houses on this road for friends.
Kate Kunath: Wow, cool. You hired local crews? Are you pounding nails?
Kim Stacy: [00:41:30] Yes, yes. We did. We did all the construction part. My father and I did the plumbing. My ex, the woman that I said something earlier about, she actually became an ... She went through the same nontraditional program that I did but I went into carpentry and she was an electrician.
Kim Stacy: [00:42:00] So she actually became the first woman in the state of Kentucky to get her journeyman's electrical license. So she and my dad and myself and Anne wired the house. But did we hire bulldozing, gravel delivery, roofers, drywall finishers. Most of these people, some of them I still use today if I need their services.
Kate Kunath: [00:42:30] Wow. What about architects?
Kim Stacy: Anne and I designed it.
Kate Kunath: Cool, do you have to have ... Do you have an architecture license or something?
Kim Stacy: No, no.
Kate Kunath: You don't really need-
Kim Stacy: You only have to have an architect for a public facility, a public building. For your own personal home, the only thing that you have to have a license for is the plumbing and the electric.
Kate Kunath: [00:43:00] Okay, interesting. Do you have to pull permits to build?
Kim Stacy: No.
Kate Kunath: That's awesome.
Kim Stacy: You can build anything. I mean, that's why if you're driving anywhere out here, you might ... There might be a house that's a $300,000 house and the next one is a $50,000 house. So there's no zoning, no zoning. No permits to be pulled on construction.
Kate Kunath: [00:43:30] Oh, that's really cool.
Kim Stacy: When we were building the winery, we did. We had to have a state permit for everything on that one because it was a public building.
Kate Kunath: Okay. So when you first moved out here to build, where did you stay?
Kim Stacy: We would drive back to Lexington or we would tent.
Kim Stacy: [00:44:00] It's hard. It's really hard work. We said, we've got to not work on weekends because we'd both take an off work so we just devoted time to building. So we worked through Monday through Friday, and then just rest, for the weekend. But of course, we were out here doing something, messing around, but we tried to keep it to a minimum.
Kate Kunath: How long did you spend building? Six months? It was finished?
Kim Stacy: [00:44:30] Six months. Took us about six months. We moved in, it was not completed. We had a very limited budget and so we did not have a heating furnace. The large room in the back, we added on probably 15 years ago, this room, the dining room was a screened in porch but then we decided we didn't really need a screened in porch
Kim Stacy: [00:45:00] because being outside was better than ... So we turned that room into a dining room. As you see it now was not the complete ... That was not how it started in the beginning. We've added things. My shop was, we added later.
Kate Kunath: Okay. So once you had this lovely house built or maybe even before, were you guys having conversations about kids or family?
Kim Stacy: [00:45:30] We did. We did have a conversation about kids. Early on, we wanted kids. For me, I wasn't really, even though I knew how much I loved Anne and I thought I knew how much she loved me,
Kim Stacy: [00:46:00] I was never sure that it was ever going to be, that it would be forever. I wasn't comfortable taking on the responsibility of having a child, of giving birth to a child because I am a self employed woodworker that can barely support myself,
Kim Stacy: [00:46:30] let alone a child. But I knew that I was in the long haul for Anne. If Anne wanted to have a child, I was all about it. We actually went through the process. We had a donor, a known donor.
Kim Stacy: [00:47:00] It just didn't take. We went to a fertility doctor and she took all the medications and we didn't have the insemination in a lab, we did the insemination ourselves. I think she was pregnant maybe twice but that pregnancy only lasted maybe a couple of weeks or a month.
Kim Stacy: [00:47:30] So we just decided that that probably wasn't in the cards for us. We then decided that we have so many young people in our lives that we can devote our love and attention to and
Kim Stacy: [00:48:00] I guess our family members thought that also because we have now five godchildren.
Kate Kunath: Cool. So these are family members' kids or friends' kids?
Kim Stacy: Both. Both. We have a couple of lesbian friends who had a son and a daughter and we've been very close to them and then the other ones were my nephew's children.
Kate Kunath: [00:48:30] Since you know people with kids, and you kind of know what that's like, what would you say is the best part about not having kids?
Kim Stacy: Oh, the best part about not having kids,
Kim Stacy: [00:49:00] I don't know if there's a best part about not having kids. I mean, the first thing that you could say is, "Oh well, you've got freedom to do this or freedom to do that." But we both have taken care of our ailing parents and not that they're kids but we have, and are still doing that duty, and are blessed to be able to do that duty.
Kate Kunath: [00:49:30] Maybe that's a good thing.
Kim Stacy: Absolutely.
Kate Kunath: That you have time for that.
Kim Stacy: That's correct, yes.
Kate Kunath: So you guys, you're out here, how old were you guys when ... Are you guys the same age?
Kim Stacy: Anne is two years older than I am.
Kate Kunath: [00:50:00] Okay. So when you guys got out here and the house was built, how old were you? It was '88?
Kim Stacy: 30?
Kate Kunath: Okay. You guys were so young. So then you're 30, which is very young, you've got this house, were you guys having parties out here? Do people know you guys as the lesbians up the road? What was your reputation?
Kim Stacy: [00:50:30] After we got our house completed and it was kind of a novelty type of thing because, I mean, people who live Lexington, you live in subdivisions and people want to go, "Oh, let's go to the country and go for a walk." So yeah, we have people here pretty much all the time. It's a great house for dinner parties
Kim Stacy: [00:51:00] and great yard for badminton and basketball out back. We have had some great New Year's eve parties here. Not so much as it used to be, we're kind of settling down a little bit. But it's rotating. People who moved on to the Lane are old friends of ours also.
Kate Kunath: [00:51:30] What's the Lane?
Kim Stacy: Lawson Lane, the road that we live on. So everybody's kind of picking it up. Someone else will have the New Year's party or whatever. We have a group ... We were the first ones to move out here. People that we didn't know would --
Kim Stacy: [00:52:00] like some friends from Chicago knew some people in Lexington, and they said they were thinking about retiring here, and did they know someone or know a land -- they would get referred out here. We now have a group called the WOW group, which is the Women of Willisburg. During the summers, we try once a month to have a gathering of the Women of Willisburg
Kim Stacy: [00:52:30] and it rotates from different place to place and we can have as many as 50 women. Just within the community, you met two of them today who are out here because of trickle down from Anne and I. When we first moved out here, Anne said, "We're never going to see anybody ever again. Our friends are never going to come out." But they came.
Kate Kunath: [00:53:00] Now they're all here.
Kim Stacy: Now they're all here. Not all of them.
Kate Kunath: I heard somebody renamed the street.
Kim Stacy: They did. They did. It's Lesbian Lane.
Kate Kunath: It was you, wasn't it?
Kim Stacy: No, no. I don't know how actually. The house at the very end of the road, there was a trailer there when we first moved here.
Kim Stacy: [00:53:30] There was a big wind storm that came through and picked the trailer up and kind of broke it in half. I just knew these people as neighbors, I didn't know them very well. He had a lot of health problems and she was struggling with, I'm sure, a minimum wage job.
Kim Stacy: [00:54:00] I had considered being a part of the habitat, the women built habitat houses in Lexington but I had never gotten to that point. Then I decided, I don't need to go to Lexington to do this. I dont need to go through the habitat organization to do this. I can do this right here in my own yard. So I approached them about building them a house, for free.
Kim Stacy: [00:54:30] If they could come up with the money to buy the material. So we did. So that was my non-habitat job.
Kate Kunath: Wow. So they were living in a trailer that got broke in half then they collected, how much do you think they spent on materials?
Kim Stacy: I think they got about $30,000.
Kate Kunath: They already own the land, I guess?
Kim Stacy: They own the land.
Kate Kunath: Wow. So they're your new best friends.
Kim Stacy: [00:55:00] We were kind of close for a while. But there again, they're neighbors. They're not people that I would normally hang out with or normally do things with but they're my neighbors.
Kate Kunath: So what's it like for you, and this is sort of a big question, but what's it like for you to be out living in rural Kentucky?
Kim Stacy: [00:55:30] I have always been out. I have always lived my life out. I've never ever hidden that fact. My nieces and nephews, they grow up knowing. No one has to tell them and with all my subcontractors that I've hired out here.
Kim Stacy: [00:56:00] I don't go into my sex life more than I want to go into theirs, but it's just known. We haven't really had any backlash. The folks that live in a small house out the road here, they were building their house and doing some work on it
Kim Stacy: [00:56:30] and I was remodeling a kitchen some place and was taking out the cabinets and putting in new cabinets. So I asked these folks up here if they'd be interested in the old used cabinets and they were like all over, they were thrilled. Later on, I helped them and installed them and later on, I'm not sure who I heard this from but
Kim Stacy: [00:57:00] the wife told someone that I was the nicest gay person she'd ever met. I think if you just go into it being out and being open and doing and helping people, you'd get a good return. After I built the house,
Kim Stacy: [00:57:30] back to the Lesbian Lane question, after I built the house at the end of the road, she called here one night or one morning and said, "You better get down here," and someone had taken spray paint on the road at the entrance of Lawson Lane had written Lesbian Lane. She said, "What should I do? What should I do?" I said, I don't know. So we just took some black paint and sprayed over the words. So ever since then it's now Lesbian Lane.
Kate Kunath: [00:58:00] Amazing.
Kim Stacy: I know.
Kate Kunath: Was it in the dirt?
Kim Stacy: They spray-painted it on the asphalt.
Kate Kunath: Oh, on the asphalt, okay. You took a picture of it?
Kim Stacy: No. I think they misspelled lesbian.
Kate Kunath: [00:58:30] That's the best part. Oh my gosh. Okay, so are you and Anne married?
Kim Stacy: We are. We are married. We had been together almost 30 years and then soon as it came down the line -- the day of, actually -- I called the clerk's office and I said,
Kim Stacy: [00:59:00] "How soon are you going to start issuing license?" So they said, "Hold on," they put me on the phone with someone else and the guy said, "Well, we're going to have to talk to the governor about." I said, "I don't think so. I think this is a done deal." I said, "I will be in in the morning." I was, and someone beat me to the punch. Someone from a different county, crossed county and filed before we did,
Kim Stacy: [00:59:30] but we were actually the first couple to actually file the marriage paperwork in the county, in Washington County.
Kate Kunath: Cool.
Kim Stacy: Yeah.
Kate Kunath: There was somebody, who's this person? Glenn Black was the clerk, right?
Kim Stacy: That's correct.
Kate Kunath: [01:00:00] Was there any controversy there or any other? That was the story, basically, then they issued it and there was no problem.
Kim Stacy: I walked in that morning and I told them I was there to get the paperwork and they were so ... We'd been living in the backlash of the Kim Davis debacle in
Kim Stacy: [01:00:30] I think Rowan County. So these women at the Washington County Clerk, they were like, "Where did we put those?" Like it was just an everyday thing. "Oh, it's in file drawer number two." So they had the correct documents with the correct verbiage.
Kim Stacy: [01:01:00] So then when we took them back in to file the marriage certificate, they were very wonderful and congratulated us and asked how long we'd actually been together and I told her a little over 30 years. She patted me on the back and said, "Honey, that's longer than me and my husband." So they were all very wonderful.
Kate Kunath: [01:01:30] Cool. Then did you guys have a ceremony?
Kim Stacy: We did, out here. We had a ceremony in the front yard and we have a very dear friend that we had hoped was going to be able to perform the ceremony but she couldn't do it. My nephew had just gotten his license and so my nephew performed the ceremony.
Kim Stacy: [01:02:00] It was a very small ceremony. My sister Teresa was here and my nephew Matthew and his wife and two children and my sister in law, Matthew's mother.
Kate Kunath: Did you guys have vows?
Kim Stacy: We did have vows. Of course, we wrote our own vows.
Kim Stacy: [01:02:30] We weren't sure what Matthew was going to come up on his end but he did a very nice job. And after it was over, his mother was crying and she said that was the most beautiful wedding she'd ever been to but I don't know if it was because of us or because it was her son that was doing the ceremony. Matthew's little girl, she was here.
Kim Stacy: [01:03:00] I think she's maybe seven and she had said that some of her friends had participated in weddings before but that she had never gotten to do that. So we just took our rings and handed them to Kaylie and Kaylie became our ring person. So it gives me great joy to know that she will be able to say her first wedding
Kim Stacy: [01:03:30] that she was ever a part of was her aunt Kim and aunt Anne's.
Kate Kunath: Does it feel different to be married than partnered for over 30 years?
Kim Stacy: I don't think it feels any different spiritually. Of course, there is a certain financial aspect
Kim Stacy: [01:04:00] that gives us both a little bit more peace of mind, that if something were to happen to one of us, we'd only have half a house or half a piece of property. So that is huge.
Kate Kunath: [01:04:30] Did you ever think that, when you're a young basketball player, did you ever think of marrying a woman? Did you ever think that would be a possibility?
Kim Stacy: I didn't think that it would ever happen. I didn't think that marriage would ever be legal for us. I mean, even when it was even being debated, I thought, It is not going to happen. I just thought that there was just too much ...
Kim Stacy: [01:05:00] I mean, if you just poll people in a community, I mean, we live in a small bible belt area and if it hadn't been a federal law, it would never have happened in Kentucky, ever.
Kate Kunath: How do you think that not seeing marriage as an option has shaped your decisions and the outcomes in your life?
Kim Stacy: [01:05:30] I never expected to be married because I knew what the traditional role of marriage looked like. Marriage, essentially, is about ownership,
Kim Stacy: [01:06:00] and I never wanted to be a part of that, being owned. I think with the marriage laws that I have, they're not about ownership. I think we have taken ... I feel like I have learned to reembrace that word to make it something that fits me.
Kim Stacy: [01:06:30] The use of the word wife is very difficult to come out of my mouth when I'm introducing Anne to someone because that word for me, traditionally, has meant I own that person and I don't own Anne.
Kim Stacy: [01:07:00] So I've had to learn how to embrace those words to make them fit, to make them mine, instead of what they were.
Kate Kunath: Do you think we should find a new word?
Kim Stacy: We say spife.
Kate Kunath: What's that?
Kim Stacy: Spouse for life. But when I say this is my spife, they think I've got a lisp, [inaudible].
Kim Stacy: [01:07:30] No one knows what that means. But, you know, depending on the company, if I wanted to be shocking, I'll let it roll out a little easier.
Kate Kunath: You just have to find a word that Lesbian Lane can agree.
Kim Stacy: That's right, that's right.
Kate Kunath: Let's start it here. I think you wanted to talk about, oh, people you want to talk about.
Kate Kunath: [01:08:00] Kim Davis. You've mentioned that debacle earlier. What do you have to say about Kim Davis and what was the debacle about?
Kim Stacy: Well, she refused, Kim Davis refused to issue marriage license. I mean, I don't know how much press it got elsewhere but in Kentucky, it was huge. The right wing politicians,
Kim Stacy: [01:08:30] they were all backing her up, and they would have press conference and her husband would show up in bibbed overalls and a straw hat on and the stereotypical what the rest of the world thinks Kentucky might be. It got a lot of press.
Kim Stacy: [01:09:00] but in an odd sort of way, it opened people up to talking about it, people that probably wouldn't have talked about it or wouldn't have commented. I go through the local drive through bank in Willisburg, Kentucky and the teller behind the window goes, "That Kim Davis is a nut, isn't she." It's like, "Yeah, she is. It was a way of her,
Kim Stacy: [01:09:30] I guess, affirming that she understood what was going on and letting me know that. So there was several incidents like that with people that I would think would never really know what their opinion about it would be. So in an odd way, Kim Davis opened up a lot of people's minds.
Kate Kunath: Sorry, Kim Davis, that backfired.
Kim Stacy: [01:10:00] It backfired. It did. It did indeed.
Kate Kunath: What about Edie Windsor?
Kim Stacy: Well, Edie Windsor, she was a big strong woman that just wanted her rights. We wouldn't be here, I wouldn't be here and married to Anne without her. So I owe her a great gratitude of thanks.
Kate Kunath: [01:10:30] She was amazing. Did you ever have an opportunity to meet her or did you have friends that knew her?
Kim Stacy: No, I never met her. Never met her.
Kate Kunath: What about Barack Obama?
Kim Stacy: Everybody loves Barack Obama.
Kim Stacy: [01:11:00] As far as the lesbian and gay issue for him, I thought he was a great ... He went into the presidency saying, "I don't approve, I don't approve of gay marriage." The rights of gay marriage. Over time,
Kim Stacy: [01:11:30] he changed his mind. I think it's just a fantastic example of someone in his situation and his power that can learn and grow and be able to go, "I don't think that way anymore. I thought that way before but I now have more knowledge and I know more about the situation and I am big enough
Kim Stacy: [01:12:00] to be able to say I've changed my mind." It's not that you're backsliding or wishy washy, it's just that you've grown. He, the highest power in the world, can say, "I've grown. I've changed my mind."
Kate Kunath: [01:12:30] Let's see. What do you think people don't know about rural Kentucky or Lexington? We have ideas about, on the coast, we have ideas about the middle of the country, the middle of the country has ideas about the coast. What do you think people don't know about this place?
Kim Stacy: [01:13:00] I guess that one of the biggest things that I would think that people don't know about Kentucky is Kentuckians are, I think, by and large would give you the shirt off their back. They might not agree with you about who you are or your religious beliefs
Kim Stacy: [01:13:30] but basically, I think people are just very good hearted. I don't know. I guess that's about all I can say. That's all that comes to my mind.
Kate Kunath: So people have in their mind, the stereotype of the South, which is that the South hates gays. Would you say that's untrue about this place?
Kim Stacy: [01:14:00] I do not believe that this part of the country hates gay people. I don't believe that. I think that they may be misinformed and miseducated but I don't believe that that is true.
Kim Stacy: [01:14:30] I think just like most of us have preconceived notions about people that we meet, different ethnic groups or ... But I think that we all just have to get to know each other or to get something about each other. I think that that's all it takes.
Kim Stacy: [01:15:00] I think that the more myself as a lesbian can be out and let people know who I am and know this community and know this group of women on this lane, we're now part of a ... In the Springfield community, there's a local women's democratic group. We find that we have so much more in common
Kim Stacy: [01:15:30] than what pulls us apart. I mean, we joined that organization, and 20 lesbians walked in there, that first organizational meeting. It was big for them, it was a big step for those women who probably, I don't know if they know any more lesbians or not. But it felt like it was a big opportunity for them and a big opportunity for us to get to know each other.
Kate Kunath: [01:16:00] Do you feel the lesbian community or the gay community has power, any power?
Kim Stacy: I do feel like the lesbian community has power. We are being very vocal in the democratic women's group. We are a big part of
Kim Stacy: [01:16:30] an organization here called New Pioneers for Sustainable Living, that is also in conjunction with a group of nuns from St. Catherine's. I think we have a lot of power, yes, I do.
ManSee Kong: Change card.
Kate Kunath: Okay. I'll change the card.
Kate Kunath: [01:17:00] Okay. Advice that you would give. What kind of advice would you give a young person or an old person that is ready to come out, or wants to come out?
Kim Stacy: Advice to a young person who wants to come out. Be yourself.
Kim Stacy: [01:17:30] Tell the truth and enjoy. It's getting better. I know a lot of kids go through a lot of difficulties and in some respects, I definitely wouldn't want to be a teenager today
Kim Stacy: [01:18:00] but on the flip side of that, there's so many more role models for young kids to know that they're not alone. They're not the only one. They just have to get through. They'd have to get over that hump of getting through that first initial part and they will be fine.
Kate Kunath: [01:18:30] I forgot to ask you this, when the gay rights movement was kind of starting, in terms of Stonewall, I guess, were you ... Did you get a whiff of the fact that the movement was starting or did it feel ... Like, when did it feel political to you?
Kim Stacy: [01:19:00] Stonewall, was early on, I was still quite young at that time period. The things that I saw on TV or in the newspaper or magazines seemed to be all about men. So at that time for me,
Kim Stacy: [01:19:30] I felt like that I wasn't a part of that because that was more of the men and the drag queens. So for me, I didn't feel like that I got into the women's movement until I went to college. Yes, that was ... People were being vocal and being separatists.
Kim Stacy: [01:20:00] I definitely went through a big period of being a separatist and not really wanting anything to do with any of those stupid men, except of course my father, he was not one of the stupid ones.
Kate Kunath: Were you engaged politically with a feminist movement at any point, as far as groups go or [crosstalk] actions?
Kim Stacy: [01:20:30] Somewhat. Somewhat, of course the NOW movement and my being, being in a nontraditional job, everyday was a movement. Going to work was just a movement to get through those guys
Kim Stacy: [01:21:00] and get past them. My young working career was fairly difficult of managing the nut heads.
Kate Kunath: What were some of the tools in your tool belt of getting through your day as a woman in a man's world, basically?
Kim Stacy: [01:21:30] My job as far as working in the man's world, I was not as strong obviously so I had to think smarter, thinking balanced instead of just dragging a two by twelve over your shoulders, you think about it, you think about the balance, think about ...
Kim Stacy: [01:22:00] Just knowing that I had to be better. I had to be better than they were. I had to be better at my craft than they were, and I am, and I was.
Kate Kunath: Cool. Okay,
Kate Kunath: [01:22:30] there's a few questions that are sort of kind of our wrap up questions. I don't know why I can't remember this. Did I ask you about your hope for the future? I don't think I did yet.
Kim Stacy: No.
Kate Kunath: What's your hope for the future?
Kim Stacy: My personal hope is that Anne's in partial phase retirement now
Kim Stacy: [01:23:00] and so my personal hope is that we have more time together and that we have more time to travel and we're both, I'm glad to say, in pretty good health and still physically active and physically strong. So we've got traveling plans
Kim Stacy: [01:23:30] and plans to be home and plans to garden and plan to walk on our farm. But in the big picture, the bigger picture. I don't know, maybe not the big picture, this is the big picture. The other picture.
Kate Kunath: Okay.
Kim Stacy: [01:24:00] Okay. The other picture of what my hope for the future is is I just ... Are you okay? Did he bite you? I just received today in the mail the newsletter from the Southern Poverty Law Center
Kim Stacy: [01:24:30] and it's a whole issue about the hate groups that have multiplied within the last year or so.
Kate Kunath: Say that again. Hate groups.
Kim Stacy: It's about the hate groups that have multiplied.
Kate Kunath: Sorry, I was talking over you. Say that one more time.
Kim Stacy: The Southern Poverty Law Center flier today is dedicated to the hate groups
Kim Stacy: [01:25:00] that have popped up in the last year or so and where they're located throughout the United States and the different types of hate groups. My hope is that people can see what is coming down the pike. It's like people are just turning a blind eye
Kim Stacy: [01:25:30] and I know that's not who we are. I know we are better than that. So I'm hoping that somehow people's eyes can be opened to the hate groups.
Kate Kunath: What do you think of that? What do you think that will take?
Kim Stacy: I don't know what it's going to take for people to see the light.
Kim Stacy: [01:26:00] I know that I have a couple of young people in my family who have a Confederate flag on their Facebook page. It's not about hate, they say, it's about our heritage. I just don't know how to reach them. I don't know how to get through
Kim Stacy: [01:26:30] to helping them grow and understand what that flag means to so many people and how hurtful it can be. I think until ... People say, "Well, I don't really like homosexual until that guy moved in next door and he's nice."
Kim Stacy: [01:27:00] Well, I think that if we just stop and have a conversation with people and get to know people, it's how it's going to change somehow, I don't know.
Kate Kunath: Yeah, there's some major propaganda at work that kids are saying things like it's not, whatever, it's our heritage. That just sounds like straight out propaganda.
Kim Stacy: [01:27:30] Absolutely.
Kate Kunath: They were getting it from somewhere like it doesn't have any real context.
Kim Stacy: Right.
Kate Kunath: Or an incomplete context, I should say.
Kim Stacy: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Kate Kunath: Why is it important for you to tell your story?
Kim Stacy: It's important for me to tell my story because I hope that
Kim Stacy: [01:28:00] in this great big world of internet search, some kid in Hyden, Kentucky runs across my page.
Kate Kunath: I like that. How come?
Kim Stacy: To know that you can succeed
Kim Stacy: [01:28:30] and you can get over that hump and have a good life and not be afraid.
Kate Kunath: Why do you think a project like OUTWORDS is important? If you would say OUTWORDS in your answer, that would be great.
Kim Stacy: The reason that I think OUTWORDS is because our stories need to be told.
Kim Stacy: [01:29:00] There are so many of us, so many stories. Everyone is so wonderful and so different and so the same. So OUTWORDS is, I'm thrilled to be a part of it.
Kate Kunath: Great. Thank you for being a part of it.
Kim Stacy: Thank you.
Kate Kunath: [01:29:30] I have really enjoyed my time in Kentucky and the individuals that I met here, just as a whole.
ManSee Kong: 30 seconds of room tone.
Kate Kunath: [01:30:00] Okay.

Interviewed by: Kate Kunath
Camera: ManSee Kong
Date: March 29, 2018
Location: Home of Kim Stacy, Willisburg, KY